Unsecured CHL 100 Controversy

1. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Ricky Davis <rfeasdavis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On Saturday I had a student show up with a CHL 100 partially filled in for my class.

I asked him where he got it and he said the DPS website. I do not know if other instructors know this or not but the CHL 100 is available under instructor information and is not password protected as it had been in the past. With a click of a mouse anybody can print out their own form, sign my name and number, and send it to DPS (all of our previous students have our DPS number on old certificate of training forms) I sent an email to DPS and the response was: only instructors should be using the instructor information but there is nothing to prevent people who are not instructors from accessing the information.

Just wondering if I am the only one who sees this as a big problem. It opens the department and instructors up to people receiving fraudulent CHL's. Can you tell me who in the DPS in a position of authority should bring this to their attention.

Felicia Davis

P.S. I have been teaching regularly for 16 years.

3. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Antonio (TACCI Founding Director) wrote:

Subject: Re: CHL 100

To: Ricky Davis <rfeasdavis@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks for the headsup.

I have reported your concerns to Sgt. Stuart of the DPS' CHL classes for his intervention; I sent him a copy of your email, slightly edited with one word (I do not know) and sent in it's entirety.

If I hear anything back I will post it.

Thanks again.

Antonio Orozco III

Founding Director

4. Date: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM

From: <antonoro@gmail.com>

Subject: CHL 100 compromised (?)

To: stuart.bamsch@txdps.state.tx.us

Sgt. Staurt,

I received the following email from a member of TACCI (Texas Association of Concealed Carry Instructors).

I concur with our member's assessment of the possibility of someone printing CHL 100's and using them outside their intended purpose; to wit, illegally obtaining a CHL.

I realize there may be an additional security or safety feature that would intercept an attempt such as this, yet I believe that where there is a kink in the armour there may be trouble.

Would you please check out the email below and tell us if we are wrong, or not.

P.S. Other forms are protected via our Instructor's password, perhaps this one should be if it isn't.

Thank you sir.

Antonio Orozco III.

TX DPS Certified CHL Instructor

Founding Director TACCI 2009

2. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Zgabay, Sherrie <Sherrie.Zgabay@dps.texas.gov> wrote:

From: Subject: CHL-100 Certificate of Training

To: "f.davis_chl@yahoo.com" Cc: "antonoro@gmail.com", "Bamsch, Stuart" <Stuart.Bamsch@dps.texas.gov>

Ms. Davis: Your concerns regarding the CHL-100 have been referred to me. I will be in a meeting the remainder of today and again tomorrow until early afternoon; however, it you would email me with a telephone contact number, I will be glad to give you a call to discuss. Thanks,

Sherrie Zgabay,

ManagerLicensing and Registration Service

office: 512.424.5009

cell: 512.810.8630

Walter Lee walt@cmaaccess.com

Dec 4

to Antonio, me

This is a problem unless DPS cross checks the notification of intent to hold a class and the after class report. A CHL100 that shows up but is not included on the instructor submitted papers should be grounds to open an investigation.

Walter Lee

Antonio Orozco III

txccia@gmail.com

Dec 7

to Walter,

A plethora of answers/remarks have come in about this "issue," all points taken and I agree with you on them.

But Mr. Clyde Ford seems to have the best understanding on this one though:

"We do send in a report of completed classes which show who attended our classes. How can the general public do that??"

Perhaps we should accept that and let it be; how about it?

Ross and Dawn Asher

twoashers@att.net

Dec 6

to Antonio,

This still concerns me. They will check signatures if the CHL 100 looks suspicious? What would make it look suspicious if it was forged with my name and number? Do they recognize my signature so well that a forged signature would be noticeable to them? This is trouble.

From: Ricky Davis <rfeasdavis@sbcglobal.net>

Date: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: CHL 100

Yes I did receive a phone call. The person I spoke with said that the CHL 100 would remain as is, not password protected.

She indicated that if they thought something was wrong with a CHL100 they would be comparing signatures.

I still believe that the general public having access to the form could cause a problem but DPS fills that instructors falsify CHL 100 is more of a problem.

I have shared my concern and it is a wait and see who is right.

Thanks for passing the info on.

Felicia Davis

281-450-9660

To: Ricky Davis <rfeasdavis@sbcglobal.net>

Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 7:30:18 PM

Subject: CHL 100

Did you get a call from DPS to discuss your CHL 100 concern?

Please keep me informed and I will further inform the association.

Thanks for your due diligence.

Antonio

TACCI Founder

We report - you Decide!

On Nov. 29, 2011, a TACCI member wrote to report that one of their students had showed up to class with a partially filled CHL 100. This form had been available for TX DPS Certified CHL Instructors to download from the TX DPS web site; up until then a password was required to access this form for downloading.

What's your take?

Send your comments to txccia@gmail.com

TEXAS DEPARTMENT

PUBLIC SAFETY

CERTIFICATE OF TRAINING FORM

This is to certify that

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PASS / FAIL

PROFICIENCY

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Renewal

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CLASSROOM TRAINING

INSTRUCTOR INFORMATION

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Non-Violent Dispute: ____hr ____ min

Handgun use: ____hr ____ min

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Total Class Time: ____hr ____ min

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